You are 100% correct. There is absolutely nothing to support this ‘idea’ thats sprouted among some fans [MCU fandom primarily nvm the two shall never meet in movie universe] that Reed and Tony are dicks to each other. The two of them are friends. They have a friendly rivalry, that’s about it as far as pissing contests go for the pair of them.
Yep wow feelin’ the hate ohhhhh wait
HAHHAHA The absolute entirety of New Avengers proves our point.
Reed is not a puppy kicking, child experimenting, wife abandoning monster like some people seem to think and suggest. Sorry, but no, I don’t like seeing people bash my favourite character while completely ignoring the fact they are basically making shit up. It’s totally cool to dislike him or hate him. But making things up that isn’t correct and regularly tagging them so they get absorbed into the Marvel fandom culture is really fucking annoying.
It’s also a case of people completely missing undertones of friendly rivalry in the Avengers: EMH cartoon. Reed and Tony are both frequent flyers in the sarcastic quips club.
Reed has not stolen from Tony, experimented on him, hurt him or done these ‘horrible’ terrible things I keep reading in the tags and in stories.
The guy is useless at social events, he fucks up, he was a raging asshole in silver age, but he’s grown and changed and he’s a caring, loving dad. He stumbles and sure as hell that accident way back when still eats at him, rears its ugly head, and the guilt; it either raises someone above remorse or humbles them so much they can never recompense. And if anything, I can’t see why Tony would hate Reed. Find him irritating at times or exasperating but honestly? How anyone can tell me they have friends who aren’t that. Just because you might butt heads doesn’t nullify the strong bond and I don’t get why comic characters are exempt from this.
Comics mimic real life, after all.
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SO MUCH HATE. SO OBVIOUS.
yeah Reed’s a real arrogant, standoffish jerk who just lives to try to make Tony feel inferior to his staggering intellect.
I distrust people who think Reed is anything less than adorable almost as much as I distrust people who don’t like Superman xD.
I haven’t done any of them. I’m doing all of them.See, I rather like to lampshade that fact. But he is also. Clearly ill. And I want to say that he’s quite torn and logically inconsistent, because he does really care for them, but on his own terms. Like, he’s picked a number of them that he truly pities and/or looks after (ie: Harv, Harley, Mary, Selina, and like. The Joker weirdly enough, even though he’s easily the worst one) but at the same time like. His hateboner for Scarcrow is a throbbing wall of titanium loathing. He handles him in a really sadistic way, and granted it’s not like he’s anywhere near being a good person, he’s awful, but like. He’s also very ill and going out of your way to humiliate and torture him is not only cruel and unusual (And stooping to his level. Repeatedly Bruce, over and over again, come on now) but also counter-intuitive? Like. What exactly are you trying to achieve this way.
This is one of my favorite plot-points to poke at for Hattercrow-interacting-with B-man stories because that’s got to be one of the few things he could do to convince Brucie to give him some credit.ANYWAYS what was I just talking about?
That does help, true, but at the same time it’s also kind of awful that Bruce would exploit underprivileged minors for his Dog and Pony Justice Extravaganza. But then again, that’s never how it’s framed in canon so. Good, I guess? Take what you can get bb.
Goddamn, I feel you. What are moral relativists such as we doing embroiled in superhero comics land. Or at the very least, such as me, I don’t know if you wade on that end of the philosophical swimming pool or what. Buh. Shouldn’t I be like, sobbing poetically at a coffee shop or something??? Why am I focusing my energies on psychoanalyzing campy supervillians.
"You GUYS my money’s not unlimited OKAY hey Alfred? Hi, yes, I need like five more jets. Yes I need them all to be bat shaped. The custom-made bat-jets are crucial." If he really gave a shit, Arkham would be in tip top condition. I mean, he does give a shit. But not like, a whole shit. He gives a shit of convenience. He shits on his own terms.
SEE FOR JANE, god I love Jane, I feel like she’s probably agender, but because she’s so focused on not having an identity, she still ids as female because id-ing as anything else would be an active display of having her own personality with traits. Nothing makes her feel worse than acknowledging that she’s not really a cipher. She’s a real person who contains multitudes and she can’t deal with that. But then again that’s just my take.
Oh yeah, true, she is like. Very sexually active, probably. Pam is mostly all-talk though because sex is kind of gross and weird to her for a lot of reasons. Baby’s got some problems.
I’M GLAD YOU LIKE THAT see, I can relate to Harvey a lot, but he also reminds me of a few people who I greatly respect. Like, that uber-responsible “suffering in silence” dealio that he’s got going on is not something that I’m good at by any means, but it’s a trait that I really value. So I’m very compelled to handle my headcanons for him like precious little eggs and pet them gently and kiss them on the tippy tops of their little egg heads. I just have. Ridiculous wells of respect for this character. I believe that I am overly invested in Harvey Dent. And, yes, I did. I love Metamorphosis. And I love taking cheap shots. So there you have it.
True! And he’s probably super up-tight too, because Little Harv would see traits like “miserably repressed” as the opposite of “angry” because that’s what he holds in the most. So if angry is Bad and repressed is angry’s opposite, then repression must be Good. Like, he knows a lot of things rationally, but at the end of the day they’re both slaves to his anxiety-tainted internal logic.
No, you’re making perfect sense. I feel the same way. It’s a little disgusting how much thought I’ve put into my interpretations of these characters tbh. DC should like, pay me or something. Ficmonger-verse. Hhhmmmm.
There are so many questionable things that Bruce does that comics readers are just kinda implicitly asked to take in stride. Like teenage sidekicks (and younger! looking at you Damian Wayne, much as I love that little brat). And vigilantism. And, yeah, the decisions he makes about his money. And his very arbitrary measures for how much violence to deal out on his crusade, like when he’s having a bad day or is really frustrated it’s actually been made clear over and over that he tends to be more brutal in his methods. Like inconsistency is one of his most consistent characteristics, in a way.
And I mean, even as I say this I’ve gotta add that I don’t really hold that against him too much? Like any issues he has left over from his parents’ death are only gonna get worse in his line of work, because he witnesses a lot of awful things. The Rogues are majorly fucked up. And the entire city of Gotham is majorly fucked up. And Bruce’s flaws are in a way how he protects himself from that? I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore.
I don’t even know where I swim, philosophically or morally speaking. Just kinda doggy paddle here and there, occasionally in a way that might at times look a bit like moral relativism xD Guess I should probably think about that a bit more.
Ah, okay, let me elaborate on my earlier Jane Doe headcanon. Intersex, designated female at birth (because there’s this whole… someone else projecting an identity onto Jane thing, that I can’t help but feel has been a recurring theme in Jane’s life), now thinks mostly in the third person, when she (???) thinks about herself at all. And like, separated from others, uses they/them/their pronouns, but uses she/her/hers whenever she’s been interacting with the Arkham staff recently. Like they all treat Jane as a woman, so Jane just kinda accepts that? But given enough time away from them, gravitates toward a more gender-neutral stance?? And of course all of that only applies when Jane isn’t stealing someone else’s identity, because then Jane is fully in-character so using the other person’s pronouns???
And this is the part where my love for exploration of queer characters and identities completely consumes all logic. Because the possibilities for gender-fuckery with Jane are endless, and I absolutely adore that. Jane Doe is such a wonderful character that needs a lot more attention than DC gives. Damn.
Back to Harvey’s interior thought process, I have to admit he is simultaneously one of the hardest and one of the most enjoyable characters to write for. Because there are two separate personalities with their own opinions and their own thoughts, existing in the same space and more often than not, bickering with each other. Like, oh my god, Harvey and Big Bad Harv arguing with each other over everything from the deep, philosophical stuff like their moral quandary or what kind of mistress they think Fate is, to the smaller things like pancakes vs waffles or what movie they’re gonna watch.
I think those small things actually become very important (I might be following a majorly unrelated tangent here). While it’s (relatively) easier for them to decide what is Good and what is Evil when it comes to the big stuff, the smaller things don’t necessarily have an inherent moral quality. But they can’t let themselves agree on too much stuff, right, because then that would violate their intense dualism. So, developing their personal tastes only increases the split within their mind, so to speak. God, I’m probably just bullshitting here. I just spend a lot of time wondering how Harvey’s head even works.
Tbh, DC can’t be trusted with their own property, so you wouldn’t get much objection from me.
"Tbh, DC can’t be trusted with their own property, so you wouldn’t get much objection from me."
This is the ultimate truth to DC xD.